Tuesday, April 12, 2011

Refuting Peter Chopelas

Warning! This is not a pleasant topic nor one to read in a dreary mood. I read this article and it ticked me off. I don't mind a good argument or differing views but I can't stand it when someone makes claims and does nothing to back them up. (growl)

Peter Chopelas begins his essay on" Heaven and Hell in the Bible"

(see http://www.orthodox-christianity.com/2011/01/heaven-and-hell-according-to-the-bible/)

with this sentence:

"The idea that God is an angry figure who sends those He condemns to a place called Hell, where they spend eternity in torment separated from His presence, is missing from the Bible and unknown in the early church."

Was the early church unaware of Matthew's Gospel Mr. Chopelas?

What have you done with Matthew 25:31-46 specifically vs 41, Mr Chopelas?

(I am using the American Standard Bible from Biblegateway.com)

"Then He (Jesus) will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels"

The word for "eternal fire" in the Matthew 25 passage is the word gehenna and it is also found in the parable passages of Matthew 13:36-43 specifically vs41- 42.

"The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth".

The same idea is seen again in Matthew 13:49-50

"So it will be at the end of the age; the angels will come forth and take out the wicked from among the righteous, and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

Now to be fair, Chopelas does state that "Heaven and Hell are decidedly real, they are experiential conditions rather than physical places, and both exist in the presence of God." He then goes on to say: "In Western thought Hell is a location, a place where God punishes the wicked, where they are cut off from God and the Kingdom of Heaven. Yet this concept occurs nowhere in the Bible, and does not exist in the original languages of the Bible."

Really? What exactly is the concept taught in these passages Mr. Chopelas? These judged people don't seem to be left in God's presence but removed from the place of blessings for the righteous. The angels remove the condemned and throw them elsewhere. These passages sure seem to emphasize a physical removal and physical punishment.

I don't know how Chopelas can make the claim that "The idea that God is an angry figure who sends those He condemns to a place called Hell, where they spend eternity in torment separated from His presence, is missing from the Bible and unknown in the early church."

I'd like to ask him if he has ripped these passages out of his Bible. Maybe his Greek version doesn't include Matthew? I wish he would post or at least translate what his Greek Orthodox Bible says so I can research and dissect it for myself.

He then goes on:

"This is not a new interpretation or a secret truth. It has been there all along, held by the Church from the beginning, revealed in the languages of the Scriptures, which were spoken by the Christians of the early church era."

And yet he does not give a shred of evidence to back up his claim! If this is a true statement how would I know?

Then there are these passages which caused me to smirk because it is the heart of why he has written this article:

"This understanding was held by nearly all Christians everywhere for the first 1000 years of the Church’s existence, and, except where influence by western theologies, continued to be held by Christians beyond Western Europe and America even up to this day (including the roughly 350 million Orthodox Christians worldwide)."

"When you examine what the Roman Catholic Church teaches and what most Protestants believe about the afterlife, and compare that with the scriptures and early Church beliefs, you find large disparities. You will also find their innovative doctrines were not drawn from the Bible or historic Church doctrine, but rather from the mythology of the Middle Ages, juridical concepts, and enlightenment rationalizations, all alien to early Christian thought."

Ah, so this version of Hell and judgment that Chopelas professes in his article is a thinly veiled swipe at the Westerners of the faith! The division between Eastern Church and the West, the True Church and the corrupted.

This article is rather lengthy so I will post more as soon as I am able. Bye for now.



3 comments:

  1. Well I enjoyed it. I have always enjoyed how you think anyway. I don't think he is the first guy to talk about that, the Emerging Church movement led by Rob Bell in particular is spouting this stuff off right now too. I think it has all to do with the itching ears and not being able to endure sound doctrine. But you also have to understand that Hannah Whithall Smith taught that God was a good God who wouldn't send anyone to Hell and everyone would be saved. ( Her daughter was married to the famous Atheist Bertrand Russell who wrote the famous essay Why I don't believe in God.) So it has always been out there. Without a Hell how could there be a Heaven? God would be forcing people to be some where that they didn't want to be. He never sends anyone there, by rejecting His free gift of eternal life they send themselves.
    Just because someone says there isn't a Hell and tries to exclude it from the Bible is in a scary place. It is like saying there is no gravity because I don't believe in it so I am going to jump out of this window.
    Wow, you must of hit a never with me too.
    Write some more.
    I don't know if I really addressed the topic though.
    I like it,
    Kim

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  2. Dear Crazy,

    You could have emailed me to discuss your disagreements rather than post them in a public forum. If you want explanations you will not get them in this way.

    In context the versus you refer to are about the condition of the individual after the general resurrection. "All things are made new", the conditions are very different after the resurrection. I intentionally limited my essay to the conditions in this current reality, the theology of the resurrection considerably complicates the relationship with God and humanity (and all of creation).

    The point of the essay is that God is not the one that punishes, but rather the unrepentant sin in one's heart. The idea of western "hell" is not altogether wrong, for the individual before God, it will feel like pain, darkness and separation from the others. The difference is this is caused by our sin, not by God.

    Is there a place you can be where God is not? If you believe that than you do not believe in an almighty omnipresent God.

    There are many versus that use the metaphor of normal human relations to express spiritual realities. These have to be taken in relation to the many versus that indicate that God presences is always upon us, no matter where we are or what state we are in.

    Peter Chopelas

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  3. Peter I loved your article and think it will help people see we do it to ourselves and we need to stop blaming God!

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